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Shane Schulte

Couldn't agree with you more and precisely why I'm not in a huge rush to become certified.

I've been told that to take the PMP exam, you need to provide a detailed history of your experiences and accomplishments.

I'm not interested in this certification either. I think the PMP can limit the perception of ones abilities. PMPs tend to follow the letter on PMBOK, and I think this is a flaw.

In the same manner, agile can be exercised poorly. I have seen traditional project managers, ones trained in task management, read a book on agile and then attempt to implement the theory like it was the 10 commandments. "That's not scrum, it says right here on page 84 that were supposed to do this..." Agile project management is more like Psalms. Ken Schwaber's book is written as a collection of stories that we can learn from and apply in a way that will help us to deliver better software faster.

I think the certification could be better. I'd like to see it based on results. If you can apply the principles in the real world and deliver results, and help to educate others in similar pursuits, that to me is a Certified Scrum Master.

Paul Ellarby

As much as I hate to say it, I totally agree. I have been practicing Agile, and Scrum in particular, for several years, both for clients and in my own software development company. I have decided to "get certified" simply because it is expected - I often consult on Scrum to clients, and am finding more and more that I am hearing "we have a certified Scrum Master on staff - are they more qualified than you". Unfortunately, when I talk about the project with this Scrum Master, I inevitably find the daily scrum is running 45 to 60 minutes, there are no user stories, tracking of backlog items is only done in Excel, and there are no visual aids in the scrum room. The good side of this is that it is easy to make a huge impact in the project very quickly!

Maybe it is time to refactor, and limit the Scrum Master certification to a select few, as we do the designation "Certified Scrum Practitioner".

matt

I find these classes are extremely useful when I am coaching new teams. The pattern I typically follow is to start a team (I typically get the larger teams - 10-15 folks) off with a level setting day or two of Intro to Agile and then coach through development for a couple of weeks. After that time, I identify someone on the team who is best suited to becoming the next scrum master and I send them to a CSM class somewhere, preferably taught by someone I know so I know what they are going to be taught. I find value in this because they get a second take on the material and can see that I am not making this stuff up on my own. It helps to cement practices and dispel misunderstanding and occasionally I learn something new that my associates with the certificates are being taught.

the certificate is meaningless. The knowledge is valuable. Having them take the CSM class means to me that the instructors started from a common set of slideware, though it doesn't actually guarantee that the instructors have ever actually coached an actual project.

The difference between the PMP and the CSM is that with the PMP, you know the individual has lead a program (though you don't know if it was successful). With the CSM, all you know is that they took a 2 day course.

Don't think of it as a level of knowledge, but rather as an level of exposure.

Dave McMillin

I agree that certification does not mean you can provide value. I have seen PMPs that could not plan or lead a project but got the certification. I have seen someone with a college degree in computer science have to be bailed out by someone without a degree but alot more know-how.

After 25 years in IT a title means nothing to me. The certification only shows me that someone has a desire to work with Scrum. Sometimes that desire and drive is enough to get them to learn more, keep trying if they fail and move the organization to a better place.

Software Maestro

Is the Scrum certification game just a ruse to bilk money out of the marketplace? Of course.

You should check out my blog for many informative XP articles including "Certified Scrum Witch Doctor" and "Scrum Master Jar Jar"

Softare Maestro

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