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Nic Willemse

This is truly a valid point, however I don't believe that is wise to have a Development manager as a scrum master, at the end of they day they want to deliver more.
In my past experience I have seen instances of Development managers overide the scrum process in place in order to deliver one more feature before the release date. They tend "encourage" a team to take on more than what they could deliver.

I do however strongly believe strongly in team work and in communication, and so I agree that in some way managers should be included in the team.

Mike Cottmeyer

But isn't that really the point... we DO have managers that behave this way... and our answer so far is to exclude management. I suggest that we hold management accountable for NOT behaving this way. Now, in all fairness... that manager is probably incented to demand more from their team. Part of adopting agile in a meaningful way is to align compensation policies and organizational objectives around the idea of sustainable pace.

It is really not the managers fault that the organization around them is paying them to exhibit bad behavior. Excluding the manager from a formal role on the agile team not only doesn't solve the problem... it creates an us vs. them mentality that is counter-productive to change.

Nic Willemse

In theory it is easy to say that it is the team's responsibility to hold the development managers accountable, but if one is to consider the fact that in most cases promotions and increases lie solely in the managers hands which in turn causes people to feel "pressurized" and tend not to push back.

I think this is especially common in junior team members.

Don't get me wrong, managers should be included in the team, but I think the difficulty lies where they should be included.

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